I guess that's where living on the West Coast comes in handy - it's only ten to seven here. :)

Posted by Hey Lisa at April 13, 2004 08:52 PM

And what is worse my tivo crashed last week and I haven't seen last weeks yet.. My friend is holding it hostage on his tivo... But to make up for it I went and saw "Girl Next Door"... They need to give that girl more speaking lines...

Posted by Todd at April 14, 2004 02:03 PM

ditto!
it was between watching Dubya and watching the Wings lose.
not a good night.
thanks for the Sunday info...i was wondering when to catch it.

Posted by Harmony at April 14, 2004 02:50 PM

FX is going to run it a few times on Sunday night, so you can watch Alias and catch 24 later. I was freaking out about 24 too, since it looked like one of those lock the doors and tune out the world kind of shows.

Posted by kdeweb at April 16, 2004 02:22 PM

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what morons!

I had a similar thing - about 2 years ago I went onto an ecard site, then every year after that they would change their recorded expiry date and bill me again.

This year I caught onto them, I disputed the charge and my bank allowed it to be reversed with a minimum of trouble.

You shouldn't have too much trouble :)

Posted by kathryn at April 1, 2004 07:50 PM

Holy cow! I can't believe they did that!

Posted by D at April 1, 2004 08:03 PM

I keep forgetting to tell you. In Firefox, your comments popup doesn't show a background image/color, nor does it have any scrollbars. I'm able to get past the entry to the comment fields by tabbing, but I have a feeling it's not supposed to work that way...

Posted by D at April 1, 2004 08:11 PM

more importantly, what's your the url to your y! personals profile? :)

Posted by jon at April 2, 2004 04:17 AM

I just got hit with a $250.00 cell bill..umm yea my talking will be cut down to a minimum. Asstards!

Posted by smoores at April 2, 2004 07:50 AM

I hope you can fight that. They should have notified you that tehy were billing you. They suck.

Posted by Kat at April 2, 2004 12:43 PM

Ugh! That sucks big time. Does the link still even work? I would fight that thing link mad - you think they could have sent a letter or something. Wrong. Just plain wrong and bad customer service.

Posted by eve at April 6, 2004 12:16 AM

That just ain't right! Hope your bank helps teach 'em a lesson!

Posted by robyn at April 6, 2004 12:29 AM

I had a similar problem with AOL, though not quite that much in charges. And when you try to get help you get nothing but snots on the phone. Makes you just wanna !

Posted by Christy at April 9, 2004 09:01 PM

dude. i wanna see the site now. animated gifs and midis? it's gotta be horrible!

Posted by mikey at April 10, 2004 02:25 AM

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What an ass... if they were so damn busy, why would they want to be a part of the ring???

Posted by Adelle at October 27, 2003 08:10 PM

Maybe I'm just confrontational but I'd ask for them to just pass it on then, but I'd have an annoyed tone. Don't let 1 person ruin it for you though.

Posted by Carla at October 27, 2003 08:22 PM

I'm so sorry you've had such a horrid experience... I openly admit to holding on the a bookring way too long, however I hope and pray I've been gracious, obligatory, and quick to plead extensive forgiveness in every communication!
some people just have no idea how to communicate themselves properly, let alone cordially!

Posted by amancay at October 27, 2003 09:23 PM

Hi. I randomly stumbled across your blog because I'm a dork and looked up my own last name on google. I'm glad I did though, I love the book crossing idea. Nice to meet you, fellow avid reader(s)

Posted by Katie at October 27, 2003 10:10 PM

Eww! What a turd! I can't believe that person actually had the audacity to say something like that. I would have just apologized and sent it on to the next person if it was such a boring book. And if it is boring, what the heck is the hold up?

Posted by Josie O at October 27, 2003 11:11 PM

Some people are just asses. As my grandmother says, Don't let one bastard bring you down. They'll find someone worst than them for the return.

Posted by amber at October 28, 2003 12:03 PM

Ooo, grrrrrr! Man, that makes me angry. Make me want to go to your bookshelf, figure out who the jerk is, and send nasty thoughts their way. Don't worry, I won't say anything to them, but there will be much glaring at the screen. What a flibberty flibbin fracka fracka ... *censored*

Posted by Crankydragon at October 28, 2003 12:46 PM

How horrible! You're doing them a favour and they have the nerve to be rude about it.

Post their name on forums so others are warned about adding the ungrateful biatch to bookrays/rings.

Posted by jessica at October 28, 2003 07:11 PM

Stupid Bastage!! I hate that people have to be so rude! You are to sweet of a person to deal with such crap. If you sent me a book I would promise to be nice to you!

Posted by ginadapooh at October 28, 2003 07:57 PM

What an asshat. Can I ask what the book was?

Posted by Danelle at October 28, 2003 10:29 PM

(in best tough guy voice)
You want I should beat him up for you?

Posted by joy at October 29, 2003 02:48 PM

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oh no, I think it's better to be lucky at love. lol

Posted by Martie at August 22, 2003 01:00 AM

I envy you even playing in online card games. I am not grown up enough yet to trust myself with that.

Posted by Cis at August 24, 2003 08:16 AM

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Did you see the cost???? That is so disgusting.

Posted by Susan at July 14, 2003 10:27 PM

I read that article a few days ago. Not so sure about that being "every man's dream". I don't see the appeal in it.

The more concerning thing is that the women subject themselves to it.

Posted by bolas at July 15, 2003 12:46 AM

Woah. That is waaaay out of line. If that happened in the UK the people running it might well be behind bars by now.

Comparing it with deer hunting is stupid. You hunt to kill the deer - would you do the same with women? I think not.

Though I have one question: since when was paintballing ever 'clean'?

Posted by Neil T. at July 15, 2003 05:38 AM

Oh yeah, and I'm a guy and I do not find that even slightly appealing, never mind it being my 'fantasy'. I agree with you - it's sick.

Posted by Neil T. at July 15, 2003 05:40 AM

I don't know what's worse, that someone thought of it, that they're allowed to do it, that people want to use the service or that women are actually working for this person.

I hope the pay is worth it.

Posted by Jessica Parker at July 15, 2003 06:29 AM

I don't see anyone forcing the women to do it, though.

Posted by trish at July 15, 2003 07:56 AM

I'm pretty sure this is a hoax.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bambi.asp

The fact that it made Snopes site, makes me really think it is! At least I hope it is!

Posted by Southern Gal at July 15, 2003 11:03 AM

if it is true, the women are volunteering to do this, right? so they aren't victims and I think *they* are the sick ones for subjecting themselves to that...

Posted by yvonne at July 15, 2003 11:37 AM

I'm definitely not saying the women are victims here. My whole point is that by running something like this, it's making it okay to do some weird hatred shit towards women.

Could you imagine what would happen if this was a racial group? Like go hunt a black person or an Arabic person? People would completely freak out. My problem with it isn't the sex, it's the violence.

Posted by Kymberlie R. McGuire at July 15, 2003 11:51 AM

Darn, I hit cancel instead of post. Now I have to start all over. LOL!

The guy who runs that Hunting for Bambi thing was on Tom Leykus' radio show yesterday afternoon. They had several of the women in the studio with them, and they gave every indication that it's real. The prize is a date with the woman you "bag", sex not necessarily included. The women who spoke seemed to have every confidence in their ability to get away and not get shot. The area he said they "hunt" in is about 2 football fields in size and they set 2 girls out in the field somewhere. If the girl gets to the finish line before getting shot the hunter loses. Still seems kinda stupid, and I honestly do not see the appeal.

Posted by Hey Lisa at July 15, 2003 11:59 AM

I would hope that this wasn't real, but it seems that it is. I agree with what you say, but at the same time I cannot say these women are victims when they volunteer for it. I can't imagine being so depserate for money, though, that I would subject myself to this type of humiliation and pain. Scarier is the men who think it's fun.

Posted by MishMish at July 15, 2003 01:14 PM

Oooo... very interesting topic:)

Posted by Daphne at July 15, 2003 03:59 PM

you are a big feme-nazi! why do you have to be such a feme-nazi? i hate feme-nazis!! they should be shot with paint guns.

love always,
bubba

Posted by bubba at July 15, 2003 04:36 PM

Dan, I love you too. Thanks for calling me my very favorite pet name!

Posted by Kymberlie R. McGuire at July 15, 2003 04:40 PM

dan? who's dan? me bubba! me hate feme-nazi!

love,
bubba

Posted by bubba at July 15, 2003 04:49 PM

I saw it on the news last night and was shocked. In addition to the things listed here already, it also made me angry that they're using paintball! My husband is a paintball ref on the weekend and has great respect for the sport. It already gets a bad name because of people misusing the paintball markers, not using appropriate gear, etc...and now this. What a shame.

But as far as I can tell, it looked real. It didn't surprise me that someone would pay for it, but it does surprise me that a chick would subject herself to it. I've been hit with a paintball marker with two or three layers of clothing on and it friggin' HURTS.

Posted by meg at July 15, 2003 06:18 PM

What bothered me (in addition to things listed here already) was that they're doing it with paintball, a sport that already gets a bad rap because idiots abuse the sport and the markers. My husband is a paintball ref on the weekend and we have great respect for the sport. These people on the tape weren't even using appropriate gear for the game (no masks!). I've been hit with a paintball pellet with two layers of clothing and it HURTS. I can't even imagine how someone could subject themselves to that.

Posted by meg at July 15, 2003 06:21 PM

I'm saving my pennies.

Posted by Geoffrey at July 15, 2003 09:04 PM

Where do I sign up?

Posted by Gordon the All Knowing and Self actualized at July 15, 2003 10:49 PM

Really, what's the big deal here? Some chick gets paid $2500 to run around half naked and avoid being shot by paint guns. Beats the hell out of stripping or working the streets like some whore doesn't it?

Posted by Gordon the All Knowing and Self actualized at July 15, 2003 10:53 PM

First time visitor....got here through another site and am glad I stopped by. Heard about this Hunting For Bambi as a promo for our local news but missed it. Wow! Hard to believe that these people can justify and rationalize such sickening behavior!

Posted by Kelly at July 16, 2003 01:12 AM

Gordon, since when is wearing nothing but tennis shoes considered half naked?

Posted by trish at July 16, 2003 07:07 AM

I agree that is is some very sick shit! We saw this on the news the other day, and Mike agreed that it was disgusting.

And he is an NRA member, who reads hunting magazines! No, he doesn't own a gun, nor does he hunt, mostly because of where we live...but if he ever did hunt, it would be for meat that we would actually eat...not sick shit like this! I fail to see how this could be compared with real hunting! Most real hunters would NEVER sanction this crap!

But the scariest thing of all is how these guys act like the women are all "bitches and whores", for them to do what they please with.

However, if the women who signed on for this knew exactly what they were getting into, I don't feel sorry for them, either.

Posted by Christine M. at July 16, 2003 12:45 PM

Just because someone gets paid for something does not mean the person paying can do whatever they want to them. This is violence against women. I've played paintball before, and those balls get going at high velocity and they HURT! You end up with big bruises, and normally you are required to wear goggles (and for good reason). If you look at official paintballing sites, you will see that those who know this sport find this outrageous and irresponsible.

Posted by Elaine N at July 16, 2003 02:33 PM

Check out www.snopes.com and click on Inboxer Rebellion. This is all a hoax. Click on www.huntingforbambi.com, and you will get the message "This is not a public server. Get Lost". Does that sound like someone who wants to make $10,000.00? This is just an elaborate hoax that was spoon fed to the media with amazing results.

Posted by Bridgett at July 16, 2003 04:06 PM

TWISTED!! HOW I SHAKE MY HEAD AT HUMANITY!! As I learned of the new predator-prey adult game "Hunting for Bambi", I was filled with sentiments of shock, horror, anger and even sadness. I was clinging to the hope that our society still had standards and a value system that was to be upheld and defended, but I guess that I was wrong. "Hunting for Bambi" is completely, without question, degrading, dehumanizing, and insutling to women. The women involved are consenting adults, however, the harm lies in the implications this hunting game holds for the experience of women in the broader context of society. This game reinforces the inequality stemming from the institution of patriarchy and reinforces the roles of male dominance and female subordinance. Reduced to prey and naked, women and their bodies are objectified. This works against all the efforts that have been made in bringing empowerment, dignity, and respect to the female image. The point was made on a radio program addressing this issue that I was listening to this morning, that, if any other group, say a ethnic, minority, or any type of marginalized groups was placed in the prey-role that these women are, then it would be considered politically incorrect and a public outrage. For example, place in the prey-role, Jews, or Blacks, Gays, or handicapped/disabled/disfigured people, and you can see the harmful social and political implications this game holds. Those same implications apply to women in this case!

Posted by Lauralee at July 16, 2003 04:26 PM

It's a sad comment on our world that everyone assumes something on the web is real... Never heard of parody folks? Irony? Performance art?

Seems not. Seems most folks are just waiting to be annoyed and outraged by whatever the media spoonfeeds them without engaging their critical faculties.

Once the blogsphere showed great promise, now it's a trash pit.

Posted by JDL at July 16, 2003 07:29 PM

Do you understand the concept of "hoax", "parody", or "satire"?

Jesus. Get your Bullshit Detector tuned up. Don't you think that would be a useful item to add to your intellectual toolkit, to be able to say, when a wet steaming pile of bullshit lands on your head: "My goodness, this appears to be bullshit!"

Posted by kitten at July 16, 2003 09:36 PM

c'mon even IF this were a "hoax" parody" or"satire", it is despicable &
dangerous.All indications are that it is real however. The victim could be injured & who knows about the psycho hunter one may show up with real bullets or try the game on the population at large kind of like another John Lee Malvo. What ever happened to cherishing a woman after all your mother is one, your sister, your daughter. And the girl who became your first love.

Posted by sandy at July 16, 2003 11:17 PM

Somehow, I don't think there would be VIDEOS and TALKSHOWS with people who run this thing. If it's a hoax, how come they took my credit card number?

Posted by Toraton at July 17, 2003 04:44 AM

Wow--you guys who think this is a hoax are not only not very bright but you can't seem to navigate the internet--this story is all over the legitimate news sites and the repulsive pigs who came up with this also have a site--this is not a joke. You can sign up and order videos of this right from their site. You can also make reservations to play this "game" They also have an interview with the moron who came up with this on msnbc.com right now. I sent these idiots a nasty email from their ordering area-(one of many that have already been sent-no doubt) I suggest that angry women out there do the same-this will clog their ordering questions area and annoy them if nothing else. I guess that as long as we live in a society dominated by men, women will continue to be subjected to this kind of aggression--People can laugh and say it is "just a joke" but until the number of males that are raped and abused every day is equal to or greater than the massive numbers of women who are raped and abused every day a lot of men are never going to get why this kind of junk is serious. Try being objectified every day of your life--it is not a fun place to be.

Posted by lenore at July 17, 2003 07:52 AM

I cannot believe how shocked most of you are. Some to the point where there in denial and looking for some type of conspiracy for why this website is there. Yes it is real why is that so hard to believe? In todays day an age where men are being women women are being men. Men are marrying men women are marrying women. S&M clubs are popping up all over the country. And some of you are shocked about this? This has nothing to do degrading of women. First thing Women are no longer a minority. They are a larger group then any other. Now if the role was reversed here and it was women shooting men I don't think there would be any controversy here. Not one would be saying its degrading to men. They would look at it as a fun joking kinda sexual expierence. But when a man does it all of a sudden it becomes some midevil expierence and degrading. Get off your high horse. If this is what some want to do then so be it. I am sure they more then likely tune the cartridge shots down. If you looked at there legs there were no welts. Lauralee I really do wonder if you would be saying the same thing if the roles were reversed. I think many of you would be ok with it then.

Posted by Chris at July 17, 2003 07:53 AM

Gee, I am shocked that such typical and idiotic statement came from someone who cannot spell "medieval".

Posted by at July 17, 2003 07:55 AM

What a rebuttal you have going there for you? Yes I make spelling mistakes from time to time. I never claimed to be a typing major.
Still it remains the same if it were women shooting at men there would be no discussion here.

And how is that idiotic? Or is that you intend to put down my statement by putting down my spelling. Instead of having anything real to say.

I do not claim to want to particapate in this event. I have way better things to do with my time. But at the same time I do not see much wrong with it.
To each is own. Ok for all of you that ran straight to the worse part of this try looking at it this way.Maybe by some of these people living this fantasy it will release these feelings and prevent real harm from coming to others.

And if these women are ok with it who the heck do you people think you are to say anything against it. I am sure there are things some of you do that are shocking to others. Unless of course you have that holier then thou attitude mixed with self rightous.

Posted by chris at July 17, 2003 08:24 AM

Hoax? hmm, maybe. but i would find that a little hard to believe considering that leading and legitmate talk shows, radio programs, and television news sites have been covering the story. this is not something that we happened to stumble across through spam, splashed on the cover of the 'enquirer', or that was found through a pornography advertisment web link. this issue has been brought to legimate air waves, and we take other accounts that come from legitmate news anchors to be real, why not this? this is not to say that the news broadcasts do not shape certain news-worthy accounts to incite shock and other sentiments, however, despite how the media has shaped the coverage for "hunting for bambi", that fact that such a company exists to make the news at all, and that some serious effort and brainpower has been put into bringing such a service to the public, is unsettling to say the least.
As I mentioned in an earlier posting, if this company were to place any other group in the prey-role besides naked women, then it would be deemed a political and social outrage. Imagine the company allowed for children, disabled, handicapped, or naked ethnic groups or any other visible minorities to be hunted naked? would our complacency stick?

Posted by Lauralee at July 17, 2003 10:07 AM

I can't believe that this kind of business could even get an operating license. How could society even allow this kind of obviously degrading "sport" to continue? The public wouldn't stand for this if the division between the "hunter" and the "hunted" was based on any other social difference than gender! How is this any different than allowing a bunch of white guys to dress up in camouflage and hunt down naked Africans, Arabs, or any other social group that they felt some "natural" aggression toward, natural superiority over, or entitlement to sexually violate? Just because the degradation is (systematically) occurring on a gendered plane doesn't mean that it is OK or not a violation of the human rights charter. Men’s “aggression toward women” (to quote the creator) is not natural nor is the clearly violent sexual connotations associated with this event natural. I'm ashamed to be a member of the same species as the animals that participate in this activity or anyone who fails to publicly speak out against it!

Posted by Jennifer at July 17, 2003 10:33 AM

I have reservations! Theres already an 8 month wait!

Posted by Gordon the All Knowing and Self actualized at July 17, 2003 10:46 AM

Another great sport for the All American male. Stop whining people...no one forces the ladies to do it!!!!!!

Posted by Don at July 17, 2003 10:55 AM

would you stop all ready that the women are not forced, I am a woman & I am doubly appalled that the dumb bimbos dont even have the smarts to take the game over for them selves & make ALL the money. Hell, the inventor is a man who is pimping these stupid women, just like "hooters" does, does the owner of that have hooters of his own??? No but he is right there to pimp those dummy women too.
A lawyer on tv said about this, that it could be stopped by referring to it as an assault. & nobody has the right to assault just because the victim is willing. EG, domestic abuse where the state prosecutes. But this is still a sick sick endeavor, Like that gross TV show the "chair "(it was on about a day and a half) where the "contestant" I use the term loosely had to answer asinine questions while doused in water or a temperature rise was created. What a trivialization of real victims of torture, just like this "game" can desensitize men to violence & battering of women & children that is practically a daily occurance in everybodys home town newscast. This "game" publicity juxtaposed to the creep assaulting 9 & 11 year old girls in stores or the Dad who murdered his 2 kids & took off to California just shows the turns that male aggression is capable of, it should frighten all of us. DEcent men should look for ways to control there testosterone mitigated anti social behaviors, "NOT" ways to act it out.
And "they" try to say women are irrational due to our hormones!!! Hell we dont even come close to being "ruled" by glands the way they are.

Posted by sandy at July 17, 2003 12:47 PM

I think it's Sandy's time of the moon.

Posted by Gordon the All Knowing and Self actualized at July 17, 2003 02:17 PM

Gordo i can "guess" precisely why you are so mellow !!!!!

Posted by sandy at July 17, 2003 04:14 PM

I masturbate to photos of preteen girls, then use said photos as target practice with my 9mm glock.

This is healthy, acceptable behavior, as I am releasing my inner rage, and am less likely to rape and murder than people who don't share my hobby.

Wouldn't you agree, Chris?

If my house caught fire, I would throw gasoline on the blaze. The fire would burn the gas instead of burning my house.

This makes sense, right Chris?

Posted by Andy Jens at July 17, 2003 05:53 PM

hell yhaa!

Posted by cc at July 17, 2003 06:46 PM

well well Andy... i don't even think your comments are deserving of a rationally-composed rebuttal nor a intellectually-supported arguement, therefore, I will leave you with this few words alone...... You're a sick fool! The fact that you attempt to justify your pornographic mind through the arguement of needing to release sexual aggression is nothing but a twisted excuse! Please do not take concepts of what is "natural" and "normal" and use them to defend your dispicable behaviour!

Posted by kyla at July 17, 2003 09:23 PM

all the hype is bullshit

Posted by at July 17, 2003 10:31 PM

A few facts!
1) This is held on private property.

2) These women and men are adults and have given consent.

3) Women today are so worried about being looked at any differently than equal to men that it sickens me.

4) It has been brought to my attention that Lesbian's have taken part in these hunts.

5) How degrading is it to see a very in shape young women and how sickening it is to see some fat out of shape female at a nudist colony.

6) Arrested? For what???? What is the difference between a regular paint ball game and these?? NO clothes and one is armed.
In closing let me say it seems that 90% of the men and women complaining are from those who either wish they were the ones doing it or they wish that men would pay to hunt them but can't due to being so out of shape and less than desirable to the opposite sex.
You liberal men and women should do something more productive with your time like read history confirming liberalism is responsible for more downfalls of America than cancer.
Get a grip! let adults be adults on private property. Outta sight outta mind.

Posted by Dave at July 18, 2003 10:47 AM

Guys....try living in the body of an attractive woman for one day of your life, and maybe you'd get a clue as to why we're all so upset.

Posted by Erica at July 18, 2003 03:52 PM

EXCELLENT news to report !!!!!!!
Just read in Vegas Sun that this "outfit" is rife with license infractions!!!! They purported to be a video company doing legit "animal" hunting videos. (False premise)
They issued license to name that differs from current proprietor, reason to revoke.
Plus this is the VERY SAME sleezy outfit that sponsored that sick video of street homeless people fighting for money, that was NOT permitted & I think this will fall in the same category. I do not say it often but Hallelujah!!!!!
PS... Dave,Appropos of your disdain for a fat chick at a nudist colony.
I have seen shots about nudist camps on reg TV with the "parts" blurred & it was striking how EACH & EVERY man there had washboard abs, a full head of hair. & a fanny you could bounce a quarter off.Nothing dangled excessively either.... what do you make of that?
I dont blame many women for turning lesbo as I seriously doubt any lezsie would show up to mistreat a woman,& no woman gay or straight would be retarded enough to shell out 5 or 10 grand for the privelege, only guys pay for sex in any profitable way, women just dont there are statistics that prove that. That would never happen in fact gay women often hook up with women that have been abused by loser guys.

Posted by Sandy at July 18, 2003 07:00 PM

ooh davey-boy, your a REAL swift one...aren't ya?!? how did Harvard ever let u slip away?? shame shame..... p.s... suggested history topic for YOU to read would be, how the woman and her female image has been socially constructed (or should i say, disfigured?) from a long-history of patriarchy that has been embedded in our culture. i also find it rather interesting that you elevate this hunting sport to a harmless form of entertainment and fun... yet accuse liberalism (founded upon the liberal values of the 18th c. Enlightment which assert justice, equality, freedom, choice, and the rationality of the individual etc etc) to be the cancer of America... if anything, this sport is cancerous for justifying the implications of violence and abuse against women, and shrugging it off as mere entertainment....
oh, and dave, consent doesn't making things right, ppl can consent to bad and harmful acts and behaviour, but the consent itself does not "POOF" make that act/behaviour good and acceptable!

Posted by rebecca at July 18, 2003 10:58 PM

You guys might like this humor. Has anyone seen the Red Green Show? Well they have a mens club on it - The Possum Lodge. They recite their preamble before every meeting. ( Dramatic pause between each sentence) "I'm a man. I can change. If I have to. I guess." This sums it up nicely!

Posted by Gordon the All Knowing and Self actualized at July 19, 2003 11:19 AM

Gordon is that the show on which you became self actualized????

Posted by Sandy at July 19, 2003 01:41 PM

I guess the furor about this topic is diminishing, but here is just another angle of this sick game to consider.
Being an RN you always need to "think" ahead to the "what if" situation.
Here is a "what if" for that "let adults be adults " unfair hunt. So what if one is naked and unarmed like our friend Dave points out.
Lets assume one of the "prey" isnt even aware she is pregnant, she tells the pimp running the hunt that she is on the pill, but actually she is so out of cash that she hasn t had her RX filled in 3 months. So she is being pursued in this sick senario and really needs the $2500 so she exhausts herself & raises her anxiety level trying to not get shot, but eventually she takes a HIT & it is a hit to the tummy that knocks her over with its unexpected ferocity and she puts her arms across her belly defensively (even though it is too late)> She is surprised that she crumples to the rocky, hard ground in such pain. (I did this before she thinks to herself,
& it wasnt like this) As she is on the ground in a heap the "Real man hunter" is approaching this stranger he has treated as an animal for the previous hour. He knows nothing about her circumstances, he dosen t care. He was only interested in HIS FANTASY.
Running over he has a great grin on his face, he ll be able to check her out close up, what fun, she had a huge chest. (A bigger chest courtesy of the large amounts of estrogen travelling through the body of a mom to be)
But what greets our "real man hunter"
is a pregnant woman with lots of real blood between her legs. Congrats "real man hunter" you just caused that woman to mis carry.... Feels great huh? Not only did you bag a defenseless woman but a defense less baby too!!!
Don t think it could never happen I have worked in public health settings
and the pregnancies that were there in fact but did not exist in the mind of the mother are legion!!!
Something to think of real man before you indulge your fantasy on the body of a woman who may be desparate for that cash.

Posted by Sandy at July 19, 2003 02:20 PM

Sorry Sandy, but that's a stretch, and a really dumb one. How about this, it's much better.

Let's say that this woman, who was impregnated by aliens, participates in the hunt. While she's running, she stubs her toe and falls to the ground. The hunter shoots her, and she collects 1000 bucks. Then, a week later, the ingrown toenail that resulted from her stubbing becomes infected. The white blood cells react badly with the alien blood in her veins, and she develops a previously unheard of blood disease and dies. I'll bet those dang aliens are happy now.

Posted by Geoffrey at July 19, 2003 10:57 PM

Hey fella I have WORKED in human services as an RN. There are REAL people suffering out there every day & people like yourself who trivialize it with alien stories to make yourselves feel better are a huge part of the PROBLEM dear!!! Heck if you want alien stories then Homer Simpson's Maggie being fathered by aliens is the best laugh ever, but REAL MEN shooting paint balls at 18 yr old pregnant women STRANGERS is no stretch, buddy no stretch at all. Post us a little note when your period is 2 weeks late.
Or better yet when YPUR 16 year old daughter is 4 months late & you just found out about it.... and she ran away from home and you cant locate her
huh??? And she turns up in Las Vegas at one of these ranches & the dead baby is your grandson.... what fun huh??? Never happen huh??? I hope not but post here when YOU become a dad to a daughter & tells us then what its all about, man of the world!!!!
Sandy RN
in the real world

Posted by sandy at July 20, 2003 10:45 AM

Then I guess the women should be a little more responsible, huh?

Posted by Geoffrey at July 20, 2003 11:26 AM

for sure... 16 year old girls are apt to be about as responsible as the "real men in search of fantasies or as responsible as Kobe Bryant"
The cost of a HOOKER could have saved him alot of misery.... another man run by his glands

Posted by sandy at July 20, 2003 02:44 PM

16 year olds can't participate in the games, since they haven't reached the age of majority. The scenario you portrayed, which was a stretch to begin with, is now absurd.

If a women gets pregnant, and then participates in the game, I hardly see how that's the man's fault. Stop being a hater.

Posted by Geoffrey at July 20, 2003 03:03 PM

Sandy
1st Women do hire men for sex. Escort services work both ways. This Is the 21st century get out of the 1960's

2nd If you had bothered to goto the site take a look at the pictures. Do you see any welts. No why because more then likely they power down the paint guns to prevent real damage otherwise it would hurt way to much.

3rd If you have gone to the site you would see its not just any lady off the street earning some cash. They have a steady group. So stop going to the extreme with scenario's There also all above the age of 21. But you have given good reason why we should legalize prostitution. Then we could at least help stop spreading the disease and the age 's involved.

4th There are many sexual activities that are worse then this behind closed and open doors. And yes the women are just as bad as men. So dont try the well if it were women BS. The only difference is women hide it better.

5Th women arent run by there hormones. They why does the time of the month come into arguement play if your never run by it. How come a lady in NJ in 1996 was let off for murdering her husband because it was the time of the month. Why has female gangs begun to rise and more violent crimes are being committed by women? Why has the statistics today same more women are cheating on there spouses then men?

5th guess no more boxing, hockey. football. Soccer, rugby, or field hockey. For these are all sports that promotes violence of one human being towards another.

6th get rid of all movies in the theatre's for they promote violence and lust and theft.

7th get rid of video games for they promote lust and violence.

8th get rid of all female magizenes. vogue and such for they portray women to be thin . which creates more people to do drastic dieting.

I could go on and on. What it truly comes down to is people are in control of themselves. They choose what there going to or not going to do. Just like I own guns. Do I hunt? No Have I ever pointed my gun at anything but a tin can or paper. NO. Do I shoot my guns often yes. It relieves stress. My wife does as well and My daughter shows interest so when she gets older she will learn as well.

I could almost turn anything around and have a negative side to it and let you know of a negative effect of it.

The only thing I cant figure out is why no one has started the Hunting for buck. Im sure there would be a long list of women going to do that.

Posted by Chris at July 21, 2003 09:45 AM

MMMM. This site is impossible to read, so I don't know if someone already posted this- isn't Bambi a boy?

Posted by Otto at July 23, 2003 06:28 PM

Guys - it was all a HOAX...

Full story HERE.

Posted by cybertoad at July 25, 2003 04:32 PM

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Can you lend me about $15,000 then? Pwetty pwease? ;-)

Posted by Jenni at May 22, 2003 03:27 PM

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Back when we had Boston Market around here, they had a habit of being out of main courses three hours before they closed, and I never ever understood why they didn't a) make more turkey/chicken or b) just freakin close early!

Posted by Z. Hendirez at April 7, 2003 09:31 PM

I've been to an IHOP and they were out of pancakes. I kid you not.

Posted by payada at April 7, 2003 10:48 PM

We went to a take and bake pizza place two hours before closing. They told us they were out of pizzas. We laughed a lot when they went out of business two months later.

Posted by ginadapooh at April 8, 2003 01:00 AM

toasted raviolis? I've never had those before but that sounds tasty.

Posted by Patty at April 8, 2003 10:34 AM

"I’ve even been to Taco Cabana when they’ve" ... when they've what? The suspense is killing me!

Posted by Christine at April 8, 2003 10:59 AM

I think it's something about Mondays. I was at Burger King last night and they were out of like half their drinks. They said they were getting a "truck" today.

Posted by Matt at April 8, 2003 11:33 AM

The only way it is acceptable for a restaurant to be out of something if if is a *special*, as opposed to a regular menu item. And even then, when we ordered a *special* at most places we go to, and they are out of it, they usually compensate by offering us a free drink or appetizer.

I worked for several years as a restaurant cook, so I know. When I worked at Crapplebee's, they were forever running out of soup. It was their own damned fault for not ordering enough cases of the frozen soup of the day!

However, when I worked at non-chain places, they almost NEVER ran out of regular menu items. Specials, yes, but that is different, and we always erased them from the board once we ran out!

Posted by Christine at April 9, 2003 12:05 AM

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Gina is not allowed to call customer support at Gateway anymore. They don't like it when you question there parentage.

Posted by ginadapooh at March 30, 2003 11:04 PM

They used to do that shit with me and I was a Dell certified technician (which meant I'd taken a battery of tests from them so that when I said "xyz" is broken, send me the part, they were supposed to say, "would you like that next day or overnight deliver?"). I hate annoying tech support - especially annoying tech support that you've paid out the ass to get.

Posted by Ciscley at March 31, 2003 12:36 PM

Remember how Dell was highly advertised? So was vioxx and they are both bad for your health. I had a heart attck taking vioxx and got a damn dell computer and almost had another one worrying with this piece of shit.I would burn the damn thing but its not worth a match.This is a foreign based outfit run by the gang.

Posted by Edith at August 7, 2005 08:58 PM

Dells customer support is worse than living through a war. PLEASE PEOPLE, DO NOT BUY A DELL, DO NOT BUY A DELL, DO NOT BUY A DELL!

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there's a lot of hummers in SD too... man, it must cost $100 just to fill up on gas for one of those things.

at least some of the hummers i see around here are like, dirty. you just KNOW that if someone's driving around in a sparkling hummer, well... he's either got a small penis or is going thru a mid-life crisis.

Posted by mikey at March 26, 2003 02:56 AM

I don't really see a need for a hummer in any non-military situation. It's ugly, it's way too big, it's hugely fuel inefficient and it's a danger to those driving around it if driven improperly.

Posted by shannon at March 26, 2003 05:15 AM

During a previous Colorado snowstorm, the police contacted a local hummer dealership to find out who had them so they could ask the owners to help clear paths so fire & rescue could get out to help people.

Posted by Lisa, Gal of Unix at March 26, 2003 07:29 AM

Ok...Lisa makes me feel guilty as maybe they can be helpful...but Kymberlie I agree...here in Oklahoma they just seem to be driven by rude people!

Posted by daisy at March 26, 2003 07:54 AM

When we were in Las Vegas in Feb., those monsters seemed to be a dime a dozen. I guess when the big boys play with them ("Ill be back" Arnold started the fancy) all the other boys want one too -

Posted by susan at March 26, 2003 08:24 AM

Super size mentality?

Posted by kara at March 26, 2003 12:50 PM

heh. you said "fuck."

Posted by that tart at March 26, 2003 01:28 PM

you've noticed them, too, Kymberlie! i see them everywhere, too! and they do hog up the road. and i know that you have a small car (Miata) and i have a small car, too (2-door Civic Coupe)... i wonder how they even fit in the garage... and fuck those who have the noisy F350's! there's one that parks across the driveway (and i mean sideways) on our neighbor's house... what a ruckus! there's no street courtesy anymore.

Posted by Kathy at March 26, 2003 04:42 PM

I don't know what they need one for in LIFE! That is why we are at war.

:)

Posted by Robin at March 26, 2003 11:40 PM

Lisa makes a good point, but here in LA it hasn't snowed since like 1939 or something.

Fear is having an H2 tailgate you while you're on a 600cc motorcycle. And they do...alot.

Posted by sean at April 1, 2003 03:51 PM

Snowstorms do not legitimize domestic use of the H2. People should be prepared for snowstorms, and emergency management crews should be able to provide proper service even in adverse weather conditions; that's why we pay our taxes right?

I'm must agree, the vast majority of Hummer owners are fucking assholes.

Posted by Nemesis10304 at September 24, 2003 01:44 PM

Here in the UK, can't even fill up my Disco (Landrover Discovery) for £100 (GBP), and that's diesel!
Bulgaria, understand very popular with those who wear rings on their "pinky fingers" (cf. Walter Matthau) !!!
-- Hence Vegas connection??
Sucess to GM corp !

Posted by Rees at May 2, 2004 04:47 AM

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umm, closed today? :) Holiday!

Posted by Lisa, Gal of Unix at February 17, 2003 11:09 PM

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I know what you mean! I am addicted to my bread machine. I broke down and bought one because I cannot get dough to rise properly in this *drafty old barn* we live in.

I sometimes post favorite bread machine recipes on my blog (in fact, I just did), and even if I go out of my way to say *don't ask me how to make this without a machine, I don't know*...I STILL get e-mails asking me this question!

I also get a lot of cat-care questions that I can't answer. Just because I have so many kitties, that does not mean that I know about all kitty ailments! I am NOT a veterinarian!

Posted by Christine at January 18, 2003 09:54 PM

Do you have the number to 411? bwaa ha ha ha ha! :)

Posted by susan at January 18, 2003 11:17 PM

Uhhhmmmm, so if I needed these questions answered, who could do it for me then? *ducks*

Posted by robyn at January 19, 2003 04:02 AM

It could be worse... you could be the one asking the questions! At least this way, you know that other people think you have it all figured out. Next time send them over to stupidquestions.org - where there aren't stupid questions!

Posted by Kristal at January 19, 2003 06:08 PM

How fast does a swallow fly? *grin* And dammit, where can I get seahorses from!?!?

Posted by Ren at January 19, 2003 06:34 PM

I think you look too nice and all-knowing. That must be it. *sagenod* On the other hand, I am nice and all-knowing, but I never get any stupid questions, or questions at all. Could also have to do with my exceptionally cruel spam filter.

Oh, and by the by, your comment windows have no scrollbars in Netscape 7.0 for Mac (and possibly other browsers)... Not that it matters, can always select with the mouse and mark content until you hit the form, but not all might know how to do that. ;)

Posted by Torgny at January 19, 2003 06:57 PM

But, but, but ... you TOLD me that you knew everything and I believed you! Damn! Now who will be my bevy of useless information if it isn't you?

Can I still call you if I ever make it on to "Who Wants to be a Millionaire"?

(Now feeling guilty for asking the other Christine what bread machine she has...)

Posted by Christine at January 20, 2003 02:45 AM

OMG! I get the same type of insane questions asked in the comments section of my on-line photo albums at Fotki. For example, I have a photo of the courthouse Downtown. I have now had 3 questions asking me about various court-related issues!! Two of them *after* I added a comment that the picture was just a picture of the building and thet I could offer no other advice!

Posted by cybertoad at January 21, 2003 01:14 AM

How long could a person live on vaginal juices?

Posted by Tabetha at June 29, 2003 12:41 AM

Posted by at September 23, 2003 07:54 PM

You must be uber classy. I was trying to find the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow.

Posted by Tea at October 8, 2003 03:30 PM

Who in the world lives on vaginal juices and why would they want to?
EWWWWWW!

Posted by Belynda Bates at October 27, 2003 01:51 PM

where do i post a new question??? i want to know if the question "do you have the number?" is like asking someone if they are gay? like "are you friends with dorothy?" or "do you ride the bus?" can anyone help me????

Posted by iloverba at November 3, 2003 11:00 AM

People always say life is hard...... but compared to what???

Posted by clark at November 30, 2004 07:55 PM

we're wondering if the anatomy of male midgets or samll people are the same size as regular guys or are theysizable to the individual??????

Posted by ash and Meg at December 2, 2004 12:48 PM

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I feel for you. My monitor has been progessively darkening for a couple months now. Good luck.

Posted by Marie at November 1, 2002 09:40 PM

I just reecntly found teh link to everquest, I aven't logged in yet as I fear I may become a full time addict. Looks like fun though!

Posted by munin at November 2, 2002 09:27 AM

I'm surprised that my computer is even working. I can't wait to get my new one and get my 18" flat screen. drooool

Posted by statia at November 2, 2002 05:17 PM

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I'm still awaiting my Monsters Inc. DVD from Amazon, too. Bastards. I want it!!

Posted by say-say at September 20, 2002 04:27 PM

This has happened to me, as well. So now, if I'm anxious to have a new release, I buy it at a store, if the price is reasonable. I got my *Monsters Inc.* DVD at Stop & Shop for $19.99...two bucks less than Amazon, but at least I have it now. We're gonna watch it tonight!

I love all the Disney/Pixar stuff, and I can't wait to see this one!

Still, I bet Amazon has it before the official release date. Many stores do. I was once in a CVS drugstore a few days before Harry Potter came out, and was surprised to see it there, for sale. However, they just had the VHS version, so I passed (was anxious to get it, but not THAT anxious!). I figured that some kid put them out by mistake.

I don't see the sense in pre-ordering if you can't get it on the release date. Anyway, hope you get yours soon!

Posted by Christine at September 20, 2002 05:32 PM

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The minute you change email and put it somewhere on the web, a sniffer will scan it and add it to some database. Then you're screwed all over again. Although I set my hotmail to only receive mail from those in my address book, and a few selected domains (Hotmail not included). But I never use it anyway, I am just hogging the name (kardyak) so nobody can "steal" it.

Posted by Torgny at August 7, 2002 01:50 AM

I'm waiting for the karma to kick in too. Now that i have hair, and my non-existant penis has grown 3 inches, I've started sending spam to myself.

Today i got a lovely cascade of internet porn--and apparently i sent it to myself. The evil bastards have a new trick!

Castration seems a fitting punishment doncha think?

Posted by fish at August 7, 2002 09:00 AM

I HATE spam! Well, not the canned meat, although that's not high on my list either, but I am so sick and tired of it. I don't even leave my domain email addy when I comment on people's sites anymore. I use a robot.txt file to keep robots out of my domain although I noticed that there are a few that ignore that and come on in any way. I'm tired of having my privacy invaded! Dammit! It should be Liberty and Spam-free email for ALL!

Okay, rant done. =)

Posted by jenni at August 7, 2002 10:40 AM

Just because you're a 17/f horny cheerleader doesn't mean I want to see your damn nudes. If I want to look at an athletic body I'll just look at my own when I get out of the shower.

Posted by Anna at August 7, 2002 12:56 PM

Invest in a good anti-spam program like McAfee's SpamKiller.

Posted by Jason at August 7, 2002 02:40 PM

unfortunately, even if you report it to hotmail or yahoo - they will tell you that it didn't come from them. :) I just hope for the best. I hate spam, but then on most message boards and such I use a yahoo rather than my real email address.

Posted by pero at August 8, 2002 04:25 PM

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I thought I was just irritable because it was a little late and I drove all day today. But right now, I honestly fell like going outside and beating the crap out of the kids outside my apartment that are doing the same thing. July 4th was three days ago!

Anyway, I just thought I'd let you know that I know what you're going through. Hehe...

Posted by Andre at July 8, 2002 12:13 AM

This has been going on here for days. I think they realize we have to work ... they just don't care. Idiots.

Posted by Kelly at July 8, 2002 12:27 AM

You should take one of his firecrackers and shove them up his wazoo.

Posted by Patty at July 8, 2002 07:46 AM

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It must be me! Because I'm out of town ... you know ... like your lucky charm has left you and headed to Boston. Do you think that's it? :) Ok, probably not.

Posted by Christine at July 7, 2002 11:11 PM

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I saw this on the news this afternoon. First thing, awful story... but secondly, what does the judge think he is gonna gain by this? I totally agree with you, if I was hiding my pregnancy, I'd never go somewhere where they'd take down my name and info in order to get a preg. test. What kind of a twisted world is this that this is even an issue?

Posted by kristine at July 3, 2002 09:55 PM

You know this is a soap box issue for me, having always been a single mother! And nope, I never went to a clinic for a pregnancy test, and even waited to go to the doctor because I was considering my options. The ACLU will back them down. Of course the ones insisting on this are men! RANT!

Posted by Trish at July 3, 2002 10:32 PM

Isn't it just awful? Actually, it was my husband who brought this story to my attention and -- I'm happy to report -- he was disgusted by the complete invasion of privacy.

I really hope that this does not occur. The precedent it could set is, on many levels, a very dangerous one.

Posted by Kelly at July 4, 2002 08:28 AM

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Thanks for the link. I don't mean to be a picky, picky pain, but get donkey! is my site. Marc, while a good friend of mine, is just a frequent commentor.

Posted by Rob Humenik at June 26, 2002 06:19 PM

The man terrifies me. Can I be blunt? What a fucking idiot! I truly love the "if you mess with the USA we will take you down" mentality - it's just wrong on so many levels...

The rats! The rats! They are going to eat my face!

Posted by Christine at June 26, 2002 06:58 PM

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Is it helping? I have been thinking about doing something like this because I'm getting SO fed up with the spam I'm getting...

Posted by kristine at June 17, 2002 08:54 PM

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I have no idea what you are talking about. Their site is completely different than yours. After all, it's blue! *G*

Posted by cpowers at June 7, 2002 05:39 AM

Imitation is the highest form of flattery? *chuckle* that is pretty bad.

Posted by Babs at June 7, 2002 06:54 AM

Oh my! Did you see their "client list"? Most of the clients are their previous designs of their own site, 'cept two, one without an image, and a second hosted on virtualave. LOLOL!
That's pretty bad, and I bet your bosses kick their butts! :)

Posted by kristine at June 7, 2002 07:08 AM

Ya, sounds like legal action time to me. How absolutely ridiculous and blatantly STUPID. What were they thinking? Can they think? Obviously not if they need to steal so openly and obviously like that. Oi, some people... sometimes "wonderous variety" (as in different types of people that God put on earth, part of a quote from Kevin Costner Robinhood)means: lots of stupid people to weed out. Ha ha ha.. Oh, uh, that was rude, oops...lol.

Posted by Anne at June 7, 2002 08:56 AM

*slap a big L on the forehead*

Posted by Sherry at June 7, 2002 10:02 AM

Yep - Start making screen captures b/c I think you guys might have a good legal case. This is so pathetic and ridiculous. I wonder how long they've been able to get away with it!?

Posted by cybertoad at June 7, 2002 01:02 PM

I actually took screen shots of the front page of both sites...lemme know if you want them, Kymberlie, and they are yours!

Friggin' pathetic, this whole thing is! LOSERS is not a strong enough word for these idiots!

Posted by Christine M. at June 7, 2002 03:48 PM

i wonder if they steal other designs for their clients, too? hey, there's an idear... you could email their clients and tell 'em what's up... would that be legal?

and they not only steal the design, but content too? allowing the originator to find the copier? gawd, how stupid and lazy can you get?!?

Posted by mikey at June 7, 2002 05:44 PM

I'd be happy to send a cease and desist letter for you

Posted by Wendell at June 9, 2002 07:49 PM

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because everybody wants to see your nipples....

Posted by mikey at June 4, 2002 12:08 PM

Shame shame on Mikey! Maybe it's to protect her from overzealous male coworks via "shrinkage" principle. I'm told it's aweful painful, as a male, to jump into an ice cold pool:-) LOL!

Posted by Anne at June 4, 2002 03:29 PM

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I like to quote from Bring On The Night by the Police:

God bid this yesterday goodbye.

Posted by file13 at May 9, 2002 10:48 PM

oh. my. yes, quite a day. hey! it's about friday now! yeah!

Posted by kd at May 10, 2002 01:27 AM

and where is the hack for the subscribe to post? if you could let me know, i'd much appreciate it. thanks.

Posted by kd at May 10, 2002 01:27 AM

I just hate those days that you don't even what to talk about ever again, I have to many...

Posted by twitchy@gray-star.com at May 11, 2002 02:27 PM

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you tell em girlfriend :)

Posted by gnome-girl at May 8, 2002 09:42 PM

I am the WORST about giving looks and gestures when f*cktards out there do crap like that. Todd is convinced I'm going to get shot for it one day. You GO!

Posted by robyn at May 9, 2002 02:08 AM

nicely said...

Posted by julie at May 9, 2002 02:32 AM

Miss Bitch would fit in very well around here...sounds like your typical Masshole Driver!

Maybe she'll drive around a curve in the road too fast, and roll over...we can always hope!

Posted by Christine at May 9, 2002 08:48 AM

People are getting worse and worse these days, I am glad that you weren't hurt by the silly b*tch. Hopefully, no ever will be.

Posted by twitchy at May 9, 2002 09:36 AM

too funny... i just came from Erika's site, and she was bitching about SUV drivers too. SUV drivers, admit it... you only bought the damned thing because you drive like shit, you don't care about anyone else on the road, and you want to bully people around. ha fucking ha when you go to the gas station and you spend $40 to fill your tank.

Posted by mikey at May 9, 2002 05:15 PM

you know, that is so true. and it's not just SUV's either. whenever you see someone cut you off or swerve into your lane a little (and of course, you don't have your horn reflex turned on) which causes you to swerve into the other lane (that could cause another accident), then you watch them weave in and out without their blinker and then in the end, you're side-by-side at the stop light and they didn't get any farther and just look so stupid.

Posted by Kathy at May 9, 2002 09:39 PM

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They did it again-- to me and one of my domains. Some asshole in the UK sent them a fax and they changed the domain information DESPITE THE FACT that I had sent them WRITTEN NOTICE A WEEK PRIOR __warning__ them that an attempt was being made to hijack my domain.

Posted by Brat Wizard at September 19, 2003 11:45 PM

VERISIGN / DOMAIN HIJACKING -- CNN is gathering information about Verisign and Domain Hijacking. If you have a Verisign and/or Domain horror story (I realize that's redundant) contact:

Jake Novak (Producer) at "InTheMoney@CNN.COM"

Posted by Brat Wizard at September 19, 2003 11:48 PM

Smith @ Wesson is just fine. Your production should state the fact that not one "Law Suit" filed by individual cities has been even remotely successful. California cities have gone broke launching these silly assaults.

Posted by K.Cooper at October 18, 2003 01:24 PM

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Oh man, that's the worst!!!!!!

Posted by kristine at May 3, 2002 08:28 PM

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Makes you wish you could send in a robot to see if workplace is running high on the Idiot Fumes in the air circulation system, eh?

Posted by file13 at April 30, 2002 10:15 AM

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Grr.. I hate stress, but we all go through it. Good luck with the client, and be glad it's almost the weekend!

Posted by Meghana at April 26, 2002 06:15 PM

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If you think he's bad now, just wait until it's time for him to pay the invoice.

Posted by file13 at April 11, 2002 11:52 AM

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I finally just saw some of them within the past week or so - and they are quite annoying. We will have to go crack shopping at lunch tomorrow together...

Posted by Christine at March 25, 2002 12:10 AM

pick me up some crack too. make sure it's the good stuff, tho...

Posted by mikey at March 25, 2002 11:58 AM

I completely agree. I switch channels or simply turn the TV off :)

Posted by felsull at March 25, 2002 08:00 PM

i still can't belive that they think that crap is going to be effective.

Posted by munin at March 25, 2002 08:02 PM

'ill bring the crack pipe'

Posted by allie at April 12, 2005 07:26 AM

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I totally agree! Kids need to be kids not made up and fake. Parents need to quit living their dreams through their kids and live their own life and not their kids. LET THEM BE KIDS, WHILE THEY STILL CAN!

Posted by Lyndsi Rowell at June 13, 2003 10:33 PM

I dont think there is anything wrong in child pageants. Not all of them are as bad as others. Both of my daughter (3 years and 10years) are in pageants. they spend hours every week in practice, and they both wear makeup, fake hair, and fake eyelashes. They both know that we compeat only to have fun. Although they both also know that if they dont win I will be upset and so will they

Posted by pageantmom at June 16, 2003 03:30 PM

Hello there I am Darren Austin
I am the host of the internet based talk show "Darren Austin Live" .
I was surfing the internet and I found your site.
I would like to invite you to be a guest on my show and talk about Child Beauty pageants and are they okay ?
My show is on the internet and has 800 listeners every week . The show is recorded live on Monday @ 5:15 PST and 8:15 EST .
If you would like to be a guest please respond to the email and or call the studio.
Studio -818-577-4555 ext 264
or my cell :818-915-5538
I look forward to hearing from you !
Till then be good 2 you
Darren Austin

Posted by Darren Austin at June 16, 2003 06:49 PM

I agree with you very much but I myself do pageants but i do agree that kids should not have to flirt to win. but i am myself still a pre-teen are in many pageants but they are not about make-up and your not alowed to where it! and I love them but thats my thoughts!!!!!

Posted by Elly (pangent girl) at August 20, 2003 07:57 PM

I dont mind beauty pageants as long as the child enjoys it. But putting a lot of makeup on an under 3 yr old is just plain sick. Theyre not even old enough to no whats going on or to even like playing dress up. So what your doing is only for your own benefit not your childs! And as for someone who lets their child know theyre upset when the child doesnt win, is not teaching the child anything in life!

Posted by Raven at October 14, 2003 02:45 PM

I think both of my daughters really enjoy pageants. They know what it is to win and they know how it feels to lose. Both of them hate losing but they know its not all about winning. I am upset when they lose, but im not upset at them. As for putting makeup on my three-year-old, I dont think that there is anything wrong with that, its only for pageants, and she likes it.

Posted by pageantmom at October 20, 2003 02:15 PM

I'm a student documentary photographer in the UK, and we just don't have pageants over here. I think the debate is really interesting.
I would like to do a photo documentary on pageants, and follow a family in the lead up to a beauty pageant and the pageant itself. I am really interested in photographing normal family life as well. Is anyone out there interested in helping me out and taking part? This would involve letting me into your life for a week or so, anyone interested?

Posted by shelby at November 11, 2003 10:08 AM

I have to say as a widowed father of a little girl who wanted to be in a pageant, that it's well worth investigating on your own BEFORE you and your child get sucked in. Part of my investigation involved attending an actual Fall season pageant, and what I saw appalled me! Grown MEN WHISTLING at the little girls, some as young as 3 years old! Well, that made up my mind right then and there. My baby wasn't going to be subjected to that blatant sexualization of children. Not while I was her father! Beware!

Posted by Appalled Dad at November 16, 2003 09:13 PM

I came acrossed you sight and read everything. It is totally insane what some parents will do for their children to win the pageant. Yes if the children like doing it you should research a very good pageant and not go to ones with old men whistling at your three year old daughter.

Posted by Onlooker at December 2, 2003 02:31 PM

hi... i'm doing a school french project on child beauty pageants, and i have been attempting to research all sides of it, such as reasons why parents sign their child up for such events, costs, and other people's opinions. i can admit that perhaps there are a few good sides to putting children into pageants. i found a few families with children who suffered from birth defects and such, and their reasons for putting their children in pageants were to boost esteem, and make them feel no different from other children out there. But i also think its ridiculous that when a child wears their costume and make up, how OLD they look. I found a few pictures of 'before' and 'after' shots of a 5 year old girl. i am almost 17 years old, and this girl looked like she should be in high school, or very close to it. Things like this is appaling. Why do pageants need the glitter and glam of makeup and the short skirts. Wat happened to the cute little outfits that made them look like their age? i dont exactly have a strong opinion on the matter, i do believe there are good points for both sides of the debate, but i say, for the most part, let your kids have fun while acting and LOOKING their age.

Posted by sMaps at December 3, 2003 04:29 PM

I think that living through your children is absolutely wrong, and I know a person who does this. To some degree, it is EMOTIONAL ABUSE!!! Pageants STINK!

Posted by Brooke Thomas at December 13, 2003 03:28 PM

Pageants are awsome and a lot of fun, insted of insulting them maybe you should try one, or maybe the problem is you already have and are too ugly to win. You shouldn't make fun of things because your ugly and jelous

Posted by beautyqueen at January 1, 2004 01:17 PM

I can honestly say that I am appaled by some, and not by others. Some people claim that it boosts esteem and gives a positive outlet for their children. I have only a few words of caution to parents.

All things should be done in moderation.

Meaning, yeah okay your kid is in a beauty pageant once or twice, but you aren't overzelous with the makeup or the skimpy costumes. And you definatly don't tell your kid that it's the end of the world if you lose. You go home take them to a movie, buy them ice cream or something to show that you'll love them no matter what happens. This not only goes for the pageants, this goes for soccer Moms and baseball Dads too. Too often our socity places such high pressure to win and be the champion, and if you lose that you are worth nothing and you weren't trying hard enough or you are being punished by losing for you inablity to go that extra mile and push, push, push!

Remember it is not the destination but the journey that counts.

Also I have another subject to address, at another website in support of pageants (which really was bashing those who dissagreed with them) Femininity is not the problem with our culture. They claimed that a feminine woman was looked down upon, and a lady like woman was put to shame! How could they make that statement is beyond me, however, it is true our socity places more trust and value in those who do not fall into a girlish rut. But the challenge is to show the world that you can be pretty and have a brain. Although it is very typical to see a young girl that is overconcoius of her image not to be very smart, I must say in my travels I have encountered many that are smart as well as beautiful.It must be marked that you should have a brain before you are beautiful, because that brain will carry you farther than a goregous head of hair ever will...

Posted by SuperRabbit21 at January 2, 2004 01:31 PM

As long as you don't push them to far pageants are lots of fun. My niece competes and she doesn't have to wear make-up or sleazy outfits or really spend alot of money.
It all depends on what pageants you enter into.There are those parents who are really crazy though and any man who whistles at my niece would get their head knocked off!

Posted by angel mandie at January 15, 2004 09:50 PM

Pageants are a wondeful thing my daughter is 21 months old and its just alot of fun i see nothing wrong with glitz and glam!!! only a pervert would think nasty of a child winking @ him!!!arcades and school fundraisers are a big rip off too!!! you sell or spend alot and end up with with a toy you could have gotten @ $tree!!! pageants help motivate and give children and any1 who enters self confidence a new sense of pride personality and of course popularity . every1 just has to remember its just like anything else adventually if a child isnt really into it they quit!!!AND makeup always wears off!!! if YOU DONT WANT YOUR CHILD IN PAGEANTS DONT ENTER THEM Im sure noone will be knocking your door down begging you to enter or making you watch!! I guess thats y being human is so great we all have free will!!! toodle loo!!:)

Posted by RIA at February 1, 2004 03:55 PM

Alright i was wondering if anybody that would like to would tell me if there for or against children beauty pageants you can email at atticusbl182@hotmail.com its for a school project and i really need some answers thanks for your help -Karleigh

Posted by Karleigh at February 11, 2004 03:33 PM

I myself have a 9 year old daughter and a six year old son that has been competing in pageant for two years... She does wear light make up but no hair extentions. I also saw that special on t.v but it did not change my mind about pageants. When my daughter started she had no self confedince, was shy and withdrawn. Now she shines. She is still a little shy but she will say hello when spoken to. My daughter has also had many doors opened for her bacause of pageants. She is now signed with a major ageant, has been in the recording studio twice.Had many apperences on local t.v, you name it. I do agree that this has to be the child chose. My daughter did not want to go to our nationals this year. She wanted to go to a festival instead. That was her choice. For my son the pageant has given him the chance to be like other kids his age. He is Autistic and when he is on the stage he is just like one of the other boys. It has done wounders for him.... I think that most pageant are good for the kids as long as it's not taken to far.

Posted by canadianmom at February 26, 2004 01:12 PM

HELLO! I DON'T THINK PUTTING YOUR CHILD IN PAGAENTS IS ANY DIFFERENT THAN SIGNING UP YOUR SON FOR LITTLE LEAGUE OR YOUR LITTLE GIRL TO DO BALLET - OR VICE VERSA...WE PUT OR KIDS IN KARATE, ACTING CLASSES, MUSIC CLASSES...WHEN WE DO THESE THINGS AND OTHER MINOR THINGS WE ARE LIVING THROUGH THEM VICAREOUSLY BUT PART OF THAT IS A GOOD THINK BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT CERTAIN THINGS WE LEARN FROM THESE THINGS -SPORTSMANSHIP, POISE, PRESENTATION, CONFEDIENCE ARE THINGS THAT AREN' T NECESSARILY LEARNED IN SCHOOL BUT ARE IMPORTANT IN LIFE. THERE ARE CERTAINLY ALTERNATIVES TO PAGEANTS. FIND WHAT INTERESTS THE KID AND DO IT! IF YOUR KID IS TO YOUNG TO DECIDE THEN DECIDE FOR THEM UNTIL THEY CAN TELL YOU THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE? SOME PARENTS DEFINATELY OVER DO IT WITH THE MAKE UP ...BUT I HONESTLY COULD NOT IMAGINE THINKING OF A 25 YO WOMAN WHEN WATCHING A YOUNG GIRL IN A GLITZY TEA LENGTH DRESS...IF YOU FIND THAT SEXUALY ATTRACTIVE THEN YOU'VE GOT PROBELMS!

Posted by HTKIDSMOM at April 2, 2004 02:37 PM

Hello i am doing a persuasion paper on the pros and cons of child beauty pageants and if you could e-mail your point of view to spike_head84@hotmail.com before april 16 thanx!!

Posted by Rachel at April 13, 2004 10:02 PM

The girl who said people agaisnt pageants are just jealous because they are too ugly to win is the exact reason I do not want my daughter to enter one. She does not need to associate with people who have this attitude.
Even if the girl who made this comment is pretty on the outside-she is obviously ugly inside. What would she do if she was in a car accident tomorrow and was disfigured? We can not teach our children to rely only on their looks. Kids shouldn't be involved in pageants until they are old enough to say it is fun. Since when can a 21 month old say Hey mom lets do pageants because I like them. They can't even talk yet!!

Posted by shannon at April 21, 2004 07:12 PM

I have to agree. When my daughter started pageants three years ago it was her choice. SHe was 7 years old and wanted to see what it was like. This weekend we where at the same pageant we've been going to for three years and after she decided she didn't want to go back to that one again. She ws upset about a placing and that the same kids always won the same things. I can support her decision. BUT I would not have entered her if it wasn't her choice. We did one baby contest when she was 4 months old and never did it again until she was 7 and could make up her own mind. As far as how pretty a child is .. ALL CHILDREN ARE BEAUTIFUL!!!!

Posted by Aimee at April 22, 2004 07:40 AM

Um, yea....you people who put your kids in these pageants are really screwed in the head. And just because I'm not in one doesn't mean I'm ugly. I'm 17 and a varsity cheerleader and I don't need to be in a pageant for some confidence because I know there is way more to life than just looks. Are your kids going to flirt for the rest of their lives to get what they want? That's so pathetic. At least I can say I am independent and I don't have to depend on anyone to feel a certain way. I'll get what I want by working for it, not by misleadng people and having old guys get turned on by my looks so I can get whatever I want. There is basically no skill in pageants. Yeah..makeup to make them LOOK pretty...but anyone can make themselves look better with makeup. At least theres skill required for cheerleading and other sports! I am so glad my mom never forced me into something so rediculous like a pageant!! I've gotten offers but have turned them down without a second thought. My cousin was in one though when she was 8 and she said she hated it but was afraid to tell her mom because her mom was putting so much pressure on her and she didn't want to disappoint her. She said it was painful as hell when they waxed her legs and she was crying and they got mad at her because then they had to re-do her makeup. What parent would make their 8 year old have their legs waxed!! Oh yea...a pageant mom. Why are parents making their children go through this? You parents are so pathetic, if you really loved them you wouldn't drill it in their minds that money and looks are all that matters. But it's okay if their around my age, as long as they know personality is a bigger plus than their looks.

Posted by Courtney at April 24, 2004 05:49 PM

All things in moderation, a wise someone or other once said. Pageants, just like anything else, have their good and bad sides. I think its great that their are mothers and daughters out there who can do a few pageants and have a great time. But there are always those mothers out there who, for whatever reason, want to live vicariously through their children. Unfortunately for some of these little girls, mother's influence reigns over them well beyond child pageant years. I saw a documentary on A&E recently, and one of the participants was a 14 year old girl with cystic fibrosis. Doctors said she would be dead before sixteen. Now, this pageant was a wonderful opportunity for her and her mother to bond - especially for the mother knowing that her daughter could die any day. When her daughter didn't win the pageant, the mother was furious. Not specifically at the daughter, but at the people running the pageant (whom she referred to as "that cult"), and at the other participants. She even said to her daughter in this snooty way "You are superior to them!" The look in her daughter's eyes was just one of pure exhaustion. I felt horrible for her. When the documentary ended, it ended with words on the screen, saying that it was dedicated to this one girl, who had died later that same year, still 14. I felt so empty after that, I mean, the whole thing seemed absurd to me.
Well, enough rambling. I would also like to address the young lady that threw out the cheap pot shot claiming that those of us not in pageants are ugly. Simply not true, as I'm sure you knew even as you typed the words. We've just chosen other activities to get into. And our activities can also be turned to bad, if you will. I took four years of ballet in high school and definitely had to deal with some "mother divas". But then there were also the people there simply for the fun of it. And you know what, if you like doing pageants, I say do it and put your heart into it. But I also implore you to respect others. There are many people who are ugly (on today's scale of comparison), but that doesn't mean they are any less than you or me. Bill Gates isn't exactly drop dead gorgeous, but I'm pretty sure he isn't complaining right now. Respect others, and also respect yourself enough to know that if they don't like what you do, it doesn't matter. It was never their choich anyway.

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Posted by at May 28, 2004 01:20 PM

I think kids should be able to enter beauty pageants because its a chance for kids to have fun and show the world what they are made of. Plus if you didnt know wearing make-up and skimpy clothing is optional you can put as much make-up on as you want and choose whatever clothing you want to wear.

Posted by Rea at June 10, 2004 03:20 PM

i'm 14 years old from england, and recently i've been doing a lot of thought on beauty pageants and the moral issues it abuses. when a child is young they dream of a showbiz lifestyle, they crave the idea of being famous and having all the money, but when it comes down to it this is exactly the kind of lifestyle children should be kept away from! beauty pageants make children believe they can have this lifestyle. i personally think pageants are sick, what kind of parents would allow their child to be whistled at by older men and to parade about in skimpy clothes and make-up?! and dont give me that shit about how there "just like little league games" or "fun for the kids!" hello?! what planet r u from?! pageants r yet another way to encourage pedophilia and sexual assult! if ur thinking about entering your child in 2 a pageant, please come down 2 earth for a minute and realise what ur doing! and if ur child already is in one, u need a serious reality check! do u really want ur child 2 grow up thinking all that matters is the way they look? and they can use these looks 2 get what they want.
beauty pageants are just a front for sexual explotation in children.

Posted by brit at June 15, 2004 06:03 PM

Hi, I'm yet another Brit and can safely say that the attitude of some of your all American pageant mom's genuinely astounds the majority of the English population. All these pictures of babys being propped up by grown adults who should know better while an oversized tiara is plopped on their heads would be laughable if it wasn't for the fact that this is a child! All that matters to a child is the fact that there mother loves them for who they are and I can't help but feel that it is emotionally damaging for that same child when they witness their parents fussing and fretting over their hairstyles and posture, assuring them that the world will stop spinning unless everyone else approves of their ball gown! Children are simple creatures with simple needs, Rimmel is not one of them, acceptance for their scabby elbows and muddy knees after a day out playing is. I'd be interested to know how many of these children grow up to have eating disorders due to their parents 'concern' for their childs image. Jonbenet was a very serious warning of the consequences of the child pageant, be it the unlikely peodophile intruder allured by her scanty stage outfits or a mothers loss of temper bought about by her obsession with her little star being less than perfect and wetting the bed as normal children do. And before beauty queen accuses me of being jealous, perhaps she should learn to spell it first, but then again so long as she finds a nice rich man to pay for a pedicure on a regular basis intellect is obviously the least important accessory she requires.No tiny tuxedo could make my two young son's look better than when they are making mud pies or digging up worms in the sun shine and smiling up at me for letting them enjoy being what they are meant to be.
Jonbenet's not a fictional character, she was a very real little girl who's own emotional needs where overshadowed by her mothers, her death perhaps even caused by being exposed to her mothers dream lifestyle- take heed!

Posted by amber at June 23, 2004 09:53 AM

Personally I believe pageants are ok, without the make-up, and clothes!! Children are such for a reason. They are growing a learning about themselves everyday. Teaching self esteem is so small in the learning process. What about RESPECT for themselves, and others. Honesty, Trust, Companionship, you don't find this at pageants. You find small children learning to flaunt things they don't have and know NOTHING about. I have twin male cousins who entered a local pageant at 2 yrs. old, they beat out children in tux's. They were wearing $10 short outfits, and the judges called one's name and the others number. Are they really looking at the child??

Posted by Tweety at June 23, 2004 09:53 PM

I think, when it comes down to it, just like any other argument, the situation is not black or white. There are too many factors to determine whether or not pageants are healthy in general. In the end, it depends on the specific pageant, the child, the mother, the motivations, etc. However, I do agree that there are much better ways to teach your child self esteem. I'm 19 and it would mean the world to me if my mother would tell me she loved me every day, not in passing, but in conversation, and really meant it. Or did something really small, like left a note for me for when I get home from work. If you want to bring your child up right, just be there to love them and support them in whatever they do. WHATEVER THEY DO. Self esteem comes from surrounding yourself with people who love and care about you, who dote on you, not from winning a contest. Make them feel special and they will believe in themselves.

Posted by Faith at June 25, 2004 12:31 PM

If you do not like something then do not watch it. This is a personal choice not yours! Some children ask to be in pageants and some are forced, however it does teach child to be confident and outgoing.

Posted by Jenney at July 3, 2004 03:07 AM

I am a pageant mom of a 1 and 3 yr old. My 3 yr old has worn blush before, and clear lipgloss. I do not use fake hair or lashes. My daughters have won many many pageants just being natural. Currently my 3 yr old is not participating in pageants because she does not want to. This is her choice, and my daughters decide if they participate in pageants. My 1 yr old gets very excited when she is on stage and she loves the attention and I feel she enjoys pageants and thats why I make the choice to continue to have her participate. I feel that some parents are too pushy about pageants and take them too far. If anyone needs to be "dolled" up to win a beauty pageant, then they are not beautiful in the first place. Beauty is natural. And in the case of my daughters they are natural and it shows with the 100s of awards they have won all together. I will not allow my children to participate in a pageant that requires the "un natural". They are children. They still enjoy being children. We do an average of 8-10 pageants a yr. Each person on this message board has and has voiced their opinion. But to the one who started this message board, "YOU SAW SOMETHING ON T.V. THAT SHOWED THE "BAD" SIDE OF PAGEANTS. IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE SUCH COMMENTS AS YOU HAVE, YOU NEED TO OBTAIN BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY AND REALIZE THAT PARENTS OTHER THAN PAGEANT PARENTS EXPLOIT THEIR CHILDREN AS WELL.WHAT ABOUT SPORTS DADS WHO YELL AT COACHES BECAUSE THEIR KID DIDN'T PLAY AS MUCH AS THAT DAD WANTED THEM TO AND CHEERLEADER MOMS WHO MAKE THEIR DAUGHTERS "WATCH" WHAT THEY EAT AND GO TO THE TANNING BED AND THEIR ONLY 7. SOME PARENTS JUST TAKE ANY CHILD ACTIVITY TOO FAR. PAGEANTS IN THE CORRECT MANNER CAN BE FUN. YOU SAW ONE PARENT WHO TOOK THE PAGEANT TOO FAR. DID YOU EVER THINK THAT MAYBE THAT MOM JUST TOOK EVERYTHING IN HER DAUGHTER'S LIFE TOO FAR AND WAS ON A POWER TRIP. IT WAS HER SICK MIND THAT MADE GOOD PAGEANT MOMS LIKE ME LOOK BAD. WHEN PEOPLE SEE THE BAD SIDE OF PAGEANTS THEY COME TO THE OPINION YOU HAVE, BUT I SAY THE SAME TO THEM. EACH STORY HAS TO SIDES AND WITHOUT BOTH, THE OPION FORMED IS BIASED AND UNEDUCATED. WHEN YOU GET ON A MEASSAGE BOARD LIKE THIS AND DON'T KNOW BOTH SIDES, YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK STUPID."

Posted by Amber at July 11, 2004 10:34 PM

I CANT BELIEVE YOU PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS! WHAT KIND OF SICK FREAKS WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO A POOR CHILD? THESE ARE GOD'S CHILDREN AND LOOK WHAT YOUR DOING TO THERE PURITY AND THERE FLASHED MIND! THIS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL . . . TO EVEN TALK ABOUT DOING THIS!!! AND IF ANY OF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ME COMING IN HERE AND SAYING THIS THEN EMAIL ME . . . ID E HAPPY TO HERE FROM YOU !

GOD'S CHILD

Posted by Hannah at July 19, 2004 09:02 AM

i think parents should not force a child to become a pageant. i want to be a pageant but I'm overweight.

Posted by sandra at July 26, 2004 06:13 PM

I can understand your frustration, a lot ofparents take it to unhealthy levels, telling a child to flirt with an adult is disturbing. However, I plan on putting my children (I haven't any children as of yet)in to child pagaents. I* htink the costumes and hair and make-up is CUTE. I know that a lot of children enjoy it, I LOVED it as a child. It was like playing dessup times a million. However, there where some parents that even now I can remember, the didn't do it for there childrens enjoyment but for there own. They are probably the same parents that when their kids wherei n high school the tried to party with them. Some people express themselves through and live through their kids, it's sick and it just so happens that those parents often time choose pagaents as their outlet of choice. I guess my points is SOME PAGAENT PARENTS ARE SICK FREAKS BUT NOT ALL OF US!! feel free to e-mail me back with any thoughts

Posted by Andrea Marie at July 27, 2004 02:43 AM

i would never make my child look like a hooker or anything like that i think thats what imorture parents do

Posted by Jamie at August 15, 2004 01:30 PM

I think it is important to clarify what type of pageants we are talking about. I put my girls in a local pageant once a year. They wear light makeup and tasteful dresses and it is age appropriate and sweet. I have seen pageant systems on TV, etc. where the girls have bouffant hair, false eyelashes, hair extentions, and fake tanner. I think this sort of pageant is sick and doesn't teach our little girls to value what is important. However, I don't think I am wrong in allowing my 5 year old to participate in a low key type of pageant once a year. Everything in moderation! If the number of pageants, makeup, attitude of the parents, etc., is in moderation, it can be a positive experience for the child. By the way, most of the time the most beautiful child isn't even the one that wins. The winner has a combination of beauty, stage presence, and poise. A beautiful child that looks really nervous or unhappy on stage has little chance of winning!

Posted by luvmygirls at August 22, 2004 12:37 AM

i think that what you are doing is stupid because why would any one in there right mind want to make their child look like a hooker or to be molested? and with what you are promoting it aint helping the situation and i think that people like that should be shot!

Posted by Erin at September 4, 2004 04:11 PM

I'm doing a research on children and beauty pagents and what are the pros and cons and what kinds of pressure society and parents put on their kids. If you have opinions, links to good articles, anything please send me info. to wanders1@coastal.edu

Posted by Carolinagirl at September 6, 2004 04:19 PM

If you think pageants are ok, then hows about entering your child in a pageant and having them wear regular children's clothes and absolutely NO make-up and NO hairspray etc etc.
WHAT? You mean they won't win if you do that cause all the other little girls wear them?
I thought the goal was to have fun and participate in a "healthy" competition?
Not winning!
How far will you go to win when others do it? Short shorts? Bikini? Getting wolf whistles directed at your child????????
This whole idea of pageant makes me want to vomit!
You say that most don't go overboard on make-up and clothes?
You lie!
Do a search on child pageants and look at the photos of the winning children.
You people are very sick to do this to children. You need morals, badly.

Posted by J.M.S.H.M. at September 17, 2004 11:15 PM

My daughter is three and she loves pageant. We only do local NO-MAKE-UP ones. She has only made it second place but she loves dressing up. There is NOTHING wrong with pageants if they are nice. Checkout sunburst.com or americasmostbeautifulbabypageant.com

Posted by shygurl at October 3, 2004 07:19 PM

I recently entered my 3 year old into a local pageant, just to see her dressed up and to have a fun day. I'm still "on the fence" with the whole pageant thing, but everyone who has posted has very good points (except for the ones who have been downright insulting). I do feel that some pageants are in it ONLY to get money from people and the parents who enter their children in those pageants are asking for trouble. The pageants I've researched that picture the "winners" in $2000 and $3000 dresses, CAKED with make-up and looking like they have been to the tanning bed about a thousand times are simply DANGEROUS. Those are the pageants that teach that there is NO such thing as natural beauty, it's all about making yourself look different, not bringing out the beautiful natural features that kids already have. And every child has features to be brought out that will look beautiful! For example, my daughter has huge super blue eyes. So I just bring them out with a touch of mascara and let them "speak" for themselves. I mean, let's face it. We ALL want to look good. But a lot of pageants seem to teach that you cannot look good unless you drench the kids with make-up and hairspray. Someone also made a great point by saying that many parents are living through their kids by doing the pageant circuit. Parents need to examine their motives closely before encouraging their kids to be in ANYTHING - including sports. But kids do need SOME encouragement most often - especially if they are on the shy side. But ultimately you can tell if a child really enjoys what they are doing. Admittedly, I LOVE to dress my little girl up in fancy clothes and she loves twirling around in them too. But if I thought for one moment that she didn't like it or didn't want to do pageants - that would be the end of that. And parents should want their kids to look like THEIR KIDS - not a sad, made-up to look older and more glamerous replica. I also feel a good pageant will teach things like sportsmanship and comeratery between the contestants. So there is a lot of good and bad on both sides. The bottom line? THE PARENTS ARE ULTIMATELY THE ONES RESPONSIBLE. And if they TRULY love their kids, they will do NOTHING to potentially harm or abuse their child. I know I would rather DIE than do that to my baby. If all parents felt that way, many pageants would be changed or done away with all together. Anyone who'd like to chat more about pageants, e-mail me!

Posted by Jen Melton at October 23, 2004 01:04 AM

you suck

Posted by at October 23, 2004 06:20 PM

i think Jans comments are great. i have four children. all of which are great kids. ages 4 to 10. we have done everything from rugby to gymnastics. we have also done pageants since my baby was 9 monthes old. i have seen "nasty" parents on the sidelines of soccer and cheerleading. i have yet to see one pervert guy whistle at a pageant. i have yet to see my child or any other child filrt and wink at the judges( most of who are female). i have yet to hear of a girl being molested at a pagent (other than the one girl- jonbenet). but i have heard of little girls kidnapped at soccer games,men in the park bathrooms, gymnastic coaches molesting children and teachers that are fired and charged with sexual conduct every year. perverts can be anywhere. my word, you can find them at your local churches. are we to stop going to any of these activities?
my children have won trophies for pageants, soccer, art, literature, music and clown competions. they are very out going and love to have fun everywhere they go. when they ask to discontinue an activity - i listen and i let them choose. but to say i am a bad sick mom because i allow them to do a variety of activities- including pageants is shallow on your part. my children are confident in themselves and they know they are beautiful inside and out and they can do anything they want.
i know there are "pageant moms" that go too far-but why not hold all parents who go too far accountable? i have been a commissioner with my soccer association for six years and i have seen "soccer mom" abuse out there- kids crying because they lost. why not bash soccer? because that would be stupid, right?
the best part of the pageant is getting ready,choosing the pageant, deciding what to wear, shopping, the dresses, make-up, and inviting friends to join us. it is the ultimate girl time. we talk about it and it is fun. my girls love all kinds of activities. the pageants are just silly girly fun. we don't do "glitz", but they do want their hair fixed and a little make-up. why not??? it is like the best sleep-over party with your own daughter. it is just one more thing that we can do together. and if it ends tomarrow, well then it ends! we will move on to another activity and make it the best thing ever.
i will never regret the time or the money i have spent on pageants. i will never want to take any of these memories back. i love the memories. my girls love the memories. the silly things we did and said. all the fun and laughes we shared. yes, it has been worth it. and we will doing it again!

Posted by candy at October 24, 2004 05:14 PM

hello...I normally don't comment on these things but felt that this time it was worth it...my 3 1/2 yr old participates in a couple pageants a year and though we have definately met the types of families that give their little girls fake tans, fake hair, gobs of makeup, etc. we've met even more extraordinary families who spend lots of time together, with kids who do well in school, are interested in performing arts, have great goals in life, are into volunteering and being friendly to every participant...it is these kinds of kids and families that I'm proud to have met in the pageant family. My daughter has a thing for stages...and for performing for people (she also dances). She absolutely loves it. Would never have her do it if she didn't and although she's very darn cute, she's not what you'd call a 'classic beauty' yet she wins quite often because of her adorable, sparkling personality. Educate yourself before you completely slam pageants, they're not all bad.

Posted by jordan'smom at November 6, 2004 09:25 PM

hello im doing a paper on this topic and i would like to hear from someone with good arguements of pageants the pro and the cons please responde to my inquiry by friday nov 20

Posted by dee at November 15, 2004 11:47 AM

hello im doing a paper on this topic and i would like to hear from someone with good arguements of pageants the pro and the cons please responde to my inquiry by friday nov 20 @DHARRIS@kctcs.stu.edu

Posted by dee at November 15, 2004 11:49 AM

Hey, I'm doing a project on the negative effects pagents have on children in today's society and my three main points involve: Parental influences and how it can ruin relationships, How it can be physically exhasting and mentally. If anyone has any information that could assist my project, please email me anything! Ex. Book Titles, Web Sites, Panflets, Videos, Personal Opinions..... Anything! Thanks. Please send info to gremlin_eater_9@hotmail.com

Posted by Natasha at November 15, 2004 05:28 PM

In my opinion, I think pageants are very helpful in becoming a well-rounded young lady. I was in pageants from 18 months until I was about 11 years old. I enjoyed them very much and it was my choice when I decided to stop doing them. I am now 17 years old and it has helped me tremendously in public speaking, poise, manners, confidence, and many other areas of my life. I don't see how pageants are any different than your kid competing in sports and other hobbies such as dance, karate, etc. I learned that winning wasn't everything although it was nice, and I was still treated the same by my family whether I won or lost the competition. Of course there are some bad pagents out there that are unfair but everything in life isn't always fair! My mother wasn't a pushy pageant mom, but don't get me wrong she did encourage me to try my best. ( Practice makes perfect) Just because you put make-up on your child doesn't mean your making them look like a hooker. My mother never caked on my make-up or put in fake hair
extensions or eye lashes. Pageants also helped teach me discipline and how to present myself in a positive way.

Posted by Britni Smith at November 21, 2004 03:37 PM

I'm just trying to do my friggin composition assignment. Pageants aren't a good idea for these little babies that have to be held. I honestly think there's much better ways to boost a little girl's self esteem than teasing her hair and loading on the mascara. She'll grow up to think she needs it. What business does a 1 year old have dressing up like a grown woman? Anyway. If it's a pageant to showcase some talent or something, that's okay. But not, "Hey, my baby has a bigger bum than your baby! Well, my baby has less cellulite than your baby!" Okay. Back to homework. PS-I'm doing the controversy over child beauty pageants. =D Thanks!

Posted by Cate at November 22, 2004 09:07 AM

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that is beyond sick, it is downright twisted. Iy's scary to know that thereare people like that in the world.

Posted by munin at March 8, 2002 02:43 PM

The sentence she's eligible for is 5-years-to-life. Not sure about parole possibilities. But I would seriously consider removing a judge that allowed the minimum sentence to be imposed in that case!

Posted by robyn at March 8, 2002 08:08 PM

Just think what would have happened if it was turned around and she was white and the victim was black. You would have heard from Jesse and Al and the rest of the gang about how evil the white man is. The rioting in the streets would still be going on. We sure are lucky it was a white guy, huh.

Posted by T.Brown at August 4, 2004 04:26 PM

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Always guard your beverages with your life... I kept mine in my own private fridge and had a Guard ALF watch over it 24/7.

Posted by file13 at March 1, 2002 04:43 PM

heh heh funny

Posted by king of god at August 19, 2003 08:58 PM

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I called you during the flood - but I figured you were up or you should be warned to be careful with your car! Who loves you, baby?

Posted by Christine at March 2, 2002 07:41 PM

Hate telemarketers? Here's the number for one. They won't stop calling even though I've asked for our number to be put on their DO-NOT-CALL list.

630-825-6319

Give them a call and let them know how you feel about their intrusions.

Posted by TickedOffConsumer at February 26, 2004 04:39 PM

I found a way to stop telemarketers in their tracks. It is an audio call screener called SelfAnnounce. It requires callers to announce themselves over a loud speaker so you don't have to get up to answer the phone if you don't want to. Haven't had one commercial interruption since I got it. Read all about it at SelfAnnounce(dot)com.

Posted by phil at March 1, 2004 04:02 PM

Want to get revenge. Call these guys over and over again. They sell the equipment to the companies that do telemarketing:

Alpha Omega Systems
18333 Egret Bay Blvd
Houston, TX 77058
(281)335-4994

You can email also to the owner:
Paul Candelaria
PaulCEO1@aol.com

Posted by Ihatetelemarketers at July 26, 2004 03:58 PM

glad to read that about alpha omega systems! i was looking for info on the company before submitting a resume. it sounded like a valid company, but the listing was a little too "check it out! great opportunity!" kind of thing for me to be sure. Someone's gotta sell the stuff, but it doesn't have to be me!

Posted by Fay at January 7, 2005 07:49 PM

I don't get it? You guy's are a bunch of wusses!. I have been selling on the phone & in person for over 20 years & I too get telemarketing calls for all kinds of stuff but I politely say no & hang up. Nobody wants to be bothered but everybody likes new Ideas. Well, you have look through a lot of dirt to find gold. Quit Whining & grow up!

Posted by Roy Gustafson at April 28, 2006 06:36 AM

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Come on Kymberlie, I mean, do you really want to bother the guys around here? Because one of us 4 women should be able to handle putting the coke in the fridge. I mean... come on. *ROFL* They do manage to finally put it in when they are tired of drinking hot ones though!

Posted by Christine at February 22, 2002 11:54 AM

Ack! I *hate* that!!! I don't have to deal with it at work, but I think I rather would - my DH does it here at home and it drives me up the wall!!!

Posted by Heather :-) at February 22, 2002 03:36 PM

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This is one of the reasons why we wait for the DVD, as opposed to paying $8-$9 for a movie.

I love Harry Potter...read all the books. But no way in hell was I going to see the movie in the theater, as I imagine the hell it would be.

But the point is...even if it IS a kid's movie...that is still no excuse for kids to make noise and run rampant through the theater.

And any parent who brings small children into R-rated movies should be taken out and shot. Period.

Posted by Christine at February 20, 2002 05:20 PM

Kids in R-rated movies is just WRONG. (Oh, except the time I did it because I thought the movie was PG, but it was during the afternoon!) As for Harry Potter though, I am really glad we saw that in the theater. All of the kids were great, but it was the afternoon it came out and there were a ton of adults there because the kids were still in class. Except mine, since I took him out of school early...

Posted by Christine at February 21, 2002 12:32 AM

A big reason that I took the day off from work to go see Harry Potter and went to the earliest showing was to avoid as many children as possible. I love seeing some kid's movies (Toy Story 2, Monsters, Inc., Harry Potter, etc.), but most of the time the desire to have a nice movie-going experience causes me to just catch it on video.

Posted by Kymberlie R. McGuire at February 21, 2002 01:07 AM

I do SO agree Kymberlie. WTF is WRONG with kids (and their parents!!) these days?? What happened to common sense and good manners? To being helpful to others? It's unbelievable. I could go on like this for hours. I won't. Plus, you pretty much covered it. :)

Posted by Meike at February 21, 2002 11:35 AM

You know that car wreck happened less than a mile from where we lived?! Scary huh?

Posted by robyn at February 22, 2002 12:09 AM

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